# hope or hype for art - an [[dweb]] [[meetup]] - about [[nfts]] - on [[2021-05-04]] - [[go]] https://www.eventbrite.com/e/dweb-meetup-may-2021-nfts-hope-or-hype-for-art-tickets-152562471459 ## Notes - got here late - [[speakers]] https://www.eventbrite.com/e/dweb-meetup-may-2021-nfts-hope-or-hype-for-art-tickets-152562471459 - [[zoom]] really has very very poor screencast quality it seems? I can't even read the text on the screen. - nevermind, it was likely an issue with the first presenter - [[jin]] presenting - https://webaverse.com/accounts/0x31e4ca4c07aeb731183334532e80e273d34c47af - [[webaverse]] - [[cryptovoxels]] - [[molly mackinlay]] from [[protocol labs]] - an [[nft]] is just a contract in a blockchain. - it doesn't solve the problem of hosting the content you are acquiring with the contract. - sometimes people sell NFTs that just refer to a centralized URL that breaks/can be made to serve other content - [[ipfs]] allows you to refer to a fingerprint that will remain constant - [[nft storage]] offers a simple API for storing NFTs - uses [[ipfs]] and [[filecoin]] under the hood - [[sarah friend]] - dispelling NFT myths - "nfts represent art" - they can represent game assets, non fungible things off blockchain (real estate for example) - "nfts are new" - 2014-2015 - "nfts are ethereum specific" - they can run on any blockchain that supports contracts - nfts only make up 2-3% of ethereum contracts approx. - "nfts change the copyright status of items" - nope, they don't interact with copyright. even if you buy an NFT, the copyright stays with the artist. - note this is true also of physical artworks. - [[ruth catlow]] - we are seeing the art world and crypto economics colliding - the art world faces awkward problems: - reconciling the value of a work of art within a social context vs its economic value - funding -- many sources, but not enough to fund every artist to a reasonable lifestyle - art being a vehicle for speculation and money laundering - the crypto world has many problems of its own: - diversity problems -- the more prominent proponents are rich men - exclusionary - what can NFTs do for us? - create new funding models - redefine ownership - define new relationships between artists, patrons and ecosystems - common mistakes - artists as producers of items of high value - causes confusion and tension - many artists bring high value to the nft ecosystem - [[async art]], [[hen]] were mentioned - [[wendy hanamura]] is the moderator - Q: what's been happening inside the nft world? - [[jin]] - (who made more money with one nft that during five years of producing digital content previously) - [[sarah friend]] - in february this year an artist made a website called [[cryptoart wtf]], you could type the name of any artist and see their [[carbon footprint]] - never thought she would spend so much time fact checking this kind of thing - [[wendy hanamura]] perhaps the reason that people are anti-nft is environmental mostly? - [[jin]] the ethereum community is solving this with proof of stake. layer2 is also rolling out. - [[sarah friend]] true that PoW is expensive - [[wendy]] is it true you haven't built on PoW for a while? - [[sarah friend]] yes, haven't worked on a [[pow]] blockchain since 2017. have found it not even difficult to avoid [[pow]]. - [[molly mackinlay]] we have to perhaps do a better job at communicating that [[nfts]] are not the artwork, they are more like a receipt. - [[wendy hanamura]] question on the chat; people think perhaps the panel is too one-sided (positive) and were expecting pros/cons - [[ruth catlow]] the environmental impact question steamrolled over the fact that many artists in this field are very much socially aware; the moral panic prevented us from having a more interesting conversation - [[wendy hanamura]] question from chat: why do we need to introduce scarcity? why isn't patreon good enough? - [[ruth catlow]] patreon works well for some things - [[sarah friend]] one of the things patreon is critized for is (...) - (dropping out due to conflict, check notes in [[@vera/2021-05-04]] for more) - how do [[nfts]] rank for [[dweb principles]]?